” The Florida appeals court ruling that the University of North Florida was violating state law when it prohibited a woman from storing a gun in her vehicle while she attended class will spill over to cities and counties statewide, an attorney said Wednesday.
And it’s one of many nationwide where anti-gun activists are trying to do at the local level what they can’t do in the statehouse – restrict Second Amendment rights.
Florida Carry Inc. and Alexandria Lainez vs. the University of North Florida centered around Lainez’s ability to store a gun in her vehicle while attending classes at UNF so she would have available for self-defense while traveling to and from campus.
Lainez is a young mother, Friday said, “and she takes seriously her responsibility to protect herself and her child.” “
Category: Armed Citizenry
The Problem For Gun Control Advocates Is That They Keep Promising That No Way Will Registration Lead To Confiscation Of Firearms, Even As It Does Just That.
” The problem for gun control advocates is that they keep promising that no way will registration lead to confiscation of firearms, even as it does just that. The Brady Campaign’s Dennis A. Henigan accuses the National Rifle Association of peddling “fear” for even raising the possibility. In the New York Times, Charles Blow calls such concerns “cultural paranoia.”
Yet gun owners seem to have legitimate worries. Hundreds of New York City residents are receiving, and publicizing, letters demanding the surrender, not of scary “assault weapons,” whatever arbitrary definition may locally apply to that slippery term, but of target rifles and cowboy guns. Among the forbidden items gleaned from New York City registration lists and ordered to be surrendered or removed from city limits are the bolt-action Marlin 25N, and lever-action Browning 92 and Winchester 94 rifles. Semi-automatic rifles of the plinking variety, such as the AR-7, have been targeted, too.”
” Trolling. That’s the word that comes to mind when I read Lt. Col. Robert L. Bateman’s editorial on the Second Amendment in Esquire.
He’s got to be trolling the gun community. Either that or he’s bat-shit crazy. Those are the only two conclusions this humble writer can draw from reading his piece entitled, “It’s Time to Talk About Guns and the Supreme Court.”
Seriously, no solemn individual — let alone an officer who swears to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic — says what he said with a straight face.
Consequently, he proposes a six-point platform that drastically curtails the Second Amendments rights of law-abiding citizens. As you’ll read below, it includes, severe restrictions on the types of guns one can own, confiscatory polices for guns that fall outside those categories, an end to police auctions that sell firearms, a nationwide federally-funded ‘gun buyback’ program, a 400 percent tax hike on ammo, the nationalization of gun manufacturers among others:
1. The only guns permitted will be the following:
a. Smoothbore or Rifled muzzle-loading blackpowder muskets. No 7-11 in history has ever been held up with one of these.
b. Double-barrel breech-loading shotguns. Hunting with these is valid.
c. Bolt-action rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds. Like I said, hunting is valid. But if you cannot bring down a defenseless deer in under five rounds, then you have no fking reason to be holding a killing tool in the first place.
2. We will pry your gun from your cold, dead, fingers. That is because I am willing to wait until you die, hopefully of natural causes. Guns, except for the three approved categories, cannot be inherited. When you die your weapons must be turned into the local police department, which will then destroy them. (Weapons of historical significance will be de-milled, but may be preserved.)
3. Police departments are no longer allowed to sell or auction weapons used in crimes after the cases have been closed. (That will piss off some cops, since they really need this money. But you know what they need more? Less violence and death. By continuing the process of weapon recirculation, they are only making their jobs — or the jobs of some other cops — harder.)
4. We will submit a new tax on ammunition. In the first two years it will be 400 percent of the current retail cost of that type of ammunition. (Exemptions for the ammo used by the approved weapons.) Thereafter it will increase by 20 percent per year.
5. We will initiate a nationwide “buy-back” program, effective immediately, with the payouts coming from the DoD budget. This buy-back program will start purchasing weapons at 200 percent of their face value the first year, 150 percent the second year, 100 percent the third year. Thereafter there will be a 10 year pause, at which point the guns can be sold to the government at 10 percent of their value for the next 50 years.
6. The major gun manufactures of the United States, less those who create weapons for the federal government and the armed forces, will be bought out by the United States of America, for our own damned good.
He can’t be serious.”
This man must be insane . Has he forgotten his oath to “support and defend” the Constitution ? Just in case , here it is as a reminder of what we pay him for :
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
The Examiner offers a frank refutation of the Col.’s assertions as does the Sipsey Street Irregulars , and you can read previous articles written by Lt. Colonel Bateman who is a contributor to the Small Wars Journal . An attempt to uncover contact info for the Colonel so that our readers could let him know their thoughts has been unsuccessful .
Update 06:10 EST … Some more diligent bloggers have come up with a more comprehensive bio on Lt Col Bateman and his businesses including links to DHS … no surprise there … he fits right in with the storm trooper crowd . Anyway you can contact the Colonel here . Please be polite . Thanks to TeaParty.org for their investigative work .
” I first joined the NRA when I decided to attend the NRA Range Development course in 2005. I was there to learn about private range operations and the hurdles of getting shooting ranges approved in California. I learned that getting a shooting range approved in California is almost harder than getting Spotted Owl on the menu at a Sierra Club gala.
I took military leave from the SEAL sniper course to attend the Las Vegas NRA Range Development conference in 2005. I remember sitting in the conference room as the attendees were going around the room introducing themselves, “Joe from Colorado, gun show owner”, “Bob from Montana, gun smith…” When it came to my turn, I stood up, kept a straight face, and told them I was a representative of the Sierra Club who was attending to find ways to shut down shooting ranges across the nation. I’m pretty sure one guy had a stroke, and the rest were just north of apoplectic. When I told them I was bullshitting them and gave them my background as a Navy SEAL, the tension disappeared and the room erupted in laughter.
I never shot much as a kid, aside from shooting clay pidgeons off the bow of the boat I worked on. I hunted quite a bit, but it was with my spear gun, not a rifle. I learned to shoot in the Navy, and only became an expert with a weapon by the time I finished my first SEAL platoon work up. It was there that I was given a shot to attend sniper school with my best friend Glen Doherty (later killed in Benghazi, Libya).”
The author Brandon Webb is a retired SEAL , author and website editor . In the piece he offers his take on guns , gun control , the NRA and reasons why he should be elected to the board of the NRA . Some of his positions along with a brief bio are laid out below . To learn more click the link .
” A Snap Shot Perspective of My Views on Gun Ownership & The 2nd Amendment
- The 2nd Amendment is inherent in America’s cultural DNA
- Limiting magazine capacity is ridiculous and impractical
- I believe everyone who owns a gun should attend a firearms safety qualifications course, and this should be standardized across the country. Too many people I’ve seen on the range are unsafe.
- Yes, owning a gun is a right, driving is also a right but you have to have pass a drivers test to prove competency
- Few people outside of America understand how important firearms ownership is to Americans
- Background checks are a good idea but should take minutes, not days
- Often gun laws are made by people who don’t use, own, or understand firearms”
Here is his bio .
“ Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Afghanistan, and Iraq. During his last tour he served as the west coast sniper Course Manager at the Naval Special Warfare Center. He is Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com, and a New York Times best selling author (The Red Circle & Benghazi: The Definitive Report). His writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on twitter here. “
If you are a voting member you might want to give his candidacy consideration , and be sure to check out his website for lots of cool posts on the Navy SEALs and all things military related .
” Connecticut State Police feel compelled to remind citizens that it is their duty under the state’s draconian new citizen control laws to register their most effective self-defense firearms and standard capacity magazines for more efficient future government confiscation:
The state police have sent a reminder for gun owners that an important deadline is looming for two key parts of this year’s gun control law.
Owners of guns classified as assault weapons must get assault weapon certificates by Dec. 31. They must submit an application for a certificate by that date along with proof that they bought the weapon before the law took effect April 4.
Owners of magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds face the same Dec. 31 deadline. They too must submit an application form along with proof they owned the magazine before the law took effect. Note, even though the law allows people to keep their already-owned large-capacity magazines if they register them, it forbids loading them with more than 10 rounds at a time except in their homes or at a shooting range.
Reason suggests that the state has sent out this “reminder” because the supermajority of citizens are ignoring the blatantly unconstitutional registration law, just as Americans have historically chosen to ignore previous registration laws. American citizens have apparently never complied by registering more than 25% of those firearms that were required to be registered by law (Illinois handgun registration in the 1970s was the dubious high-point), and at least 90-percent of Americans in other states ignore these more blatant citizen control laws designed to do little more than weaken citizens before the power of the government.”
We are a nation founded on civil disobedience , established by civil disobedience and made great by civil disobedience . It is in our blood . We are born into it and the history of the American Republic is a history of disobedience .
Where would we be without the Boston Tea Party ? Harriet Tubman ? Elizabeth Cady Stanton ? Martin Luther King ? Virtually every major societal change of the past two centuries has been brought about by private citizens working tirelessly for what they know is right by employing the time-worn methods of civil disobedience . It is as American a tradition as is the ownership of firearms .
We are not a compliant people , nor do we bow down to the whims and edicts of our ruling class . History shows that the American people are imbued with a more finely tuned moral compass than are the moral reprobates typically elected to manage our affairs .
” I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not so desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.”
Henry David Thoreau
Here’s an update on gun registration and compliance from one of Connecticut’s northeast rivals in the Statism Game :
Reason just published this piece regarding New York’s own registration scheme and how it is going , or not going , we just don’t know as the State refuses to release any statistics on the number of residents that have complied with Cuomo’s , passed in the dead of night , without hearings or debate , SAFE Act .
As even a fool can recognize , NY’s registration plan cannot be going well because if it was we all know that Cuomo and his goons would be singing from the rooftops about their successful ploy to save the state from mass murder .
Below is a brief quote that explains how Cuomo used an arcane rule called a “message of necessity” to prohibit debate and eliminate the possibility of opponents mounting any kind of objections whatsoever . Another case of Dem’s using the NY State version of the nuclear option .
” Since 1938, The state Constitution has required a proposed bill to age for three days before a vote. It says:
§14. No bill shall be passed or become a law unless it shall have been printed and upon the desks of the members, in its final form, at least three calendar legislative days prior to its final passage….
Unless the government says so:
…unless the governor, or the acting governor, shall have certified, under his or her hand and the seal of the state, the facts which in his or her opinion necessitate an immediate vote thereon,…
” Back in January I wrote an article entitled If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight? The article went on to be read by a lot of people. However…
I have learned a thing or two about a thing or two since then. I wrote that article when I was just starting to wake up to what was going on around me. And to be quite blunt, if you think you are going to have time to reach for your gun during a full-scale confiscation, you may be sadly mistaken. Chances are you won’t even get to your guns before a red beam is dancing between your eyebrows.”
” We have to know what to expect. This is not about ego. This is about survival and living to fight another day. So sure, I can bow out my chest and talk about how I’m going to die a glorious death with hot smoldering brass up to my knees. I can talk about how they will pry my gun from my cold dead hands. The truth is that neither is likely to happen.
To understand the likely scenario we need to look at a situation in which full-scale gun confiscation was implemented and develop our strategy from there. Let’s talk about Hurricane Katrina.”
” Let’s get all thoughts of fantasy out of our head. We can’t assume that we will see them coming. We can’t expect a phone call from Bob who lives three blocks away. We can’t expect anything in this situation except to be surprised. Please listen to this account of someone who was there for the Katrina gun confiscation. This stuff happens with the precision of our military. This is not going to be Andy and Barney knocking on your door.”
This article is a nice primer on hiding your guns from the State and includes the following bits of helpful tips on long term storage of firearms …
Three ways to prep your gun for hiding
Three types of storage containers
Three places to hide a gun
In addition to the videos above that provide tips on long-term firearm storage we’ve included the video below that provides tips for the storage of ammunition , because what is a gun without ammo but a very expensive club .
Remember that all of these videos are provided by individual citizens with varying degrees of knowledge of the subjects on which they hold forth and so there is undoubtably room for debate .
” A Memphis homeowner who came face to face with two suspected burglars during a home invasion last week put one in the hospital and sent the other fleeing, WREG reports.
Police said the homeowner called 911 when he heard someone smashing the glass of a back room window, but before officers could arrive, the two suspects were already inside the home. However, little did the suspects know that the man was not only home, but armed as well.
The homeowner shot at the intruders, hitting one, who was later found about a block away. The suspect was taken to a local hospital where he remains in critical condition.”
Self-Defense … The finest , most effective crime deterrent there is … Far superior to waiting for the police to collect your body or that of a loved one .
” Few guns are portrayed in movies, television and video games as the Heckler and Koch G36 rifle. This, along with the fact that the rifle is used by numerous military and police units around the world has made it one of the most iconic guns in the world. However, a semi-auto version of the rifle has been unavailable to civilians.
According to the Guns.com report, the process of making the rifle available for the civilian market is still in its early stages,
Heckler & Koch is hoping to bring a semi-automatic variant of the G36 rifle to the commercial market. The German federal register has posted H&K’s submission to the German federal police, which is the first step in bringing a rifle to the German and American public.
It is up to the German federal police to determine if the changes to the new designs are adequate in preventing users from easily modifying the gun to restore its select-fire capability. Heckler & Koch’s commercial offerings must be semi-automatic only before they will release the guns for sale.”
Man Builds Homemade Gun From Items That Can All Be Purchased In The Airport Terminal AFTER You Go Through Security
” Those who fear 3D-printed plastic guns take note: a Tennessee man has demonstrated that a deadly firearm can also be made completely out of items available from airport retail stores.
Web developer Evan Booth of Greensboro, North Carolina moonlights as a ‘security expert’ and can make projectile weapons with things like hairdryers and Axe body spray–all of which you can get after you make it through security.
While he has an airport crossbow, blowgun, and spiked club, it’s Booth’s hand-built gun–which he calls his BLUNDERBUSiness Class–that seems most worrisome.”
It was only a week or so ago that we reported on a security expert manufacturing a working grenade with items readily available from the airport security areas . Now it’s guns … and a crossbow as well .
” We’ve given spilled a lot of virtual ink waxing poetic about DoubleTap. We loved this gun from the start. And at last, close to a year after I first held one at the SHOT Show, we have one in for review. It has been a long wait. After all of the hype, I almost expected it to be anticlimactic. But then I pulled the trigger.
Everything you may have read about the brutal recoil from the DoubleTap is true. It hurts. I put 50 rounds of .45 ACP through this gun and I’m in pain. The web of muscle between my thumb and pointer finger on my right hand is sore. The metacarpal in my thumb feels bruised. I’m not going to try to sugar coat it. The pain is sharp and intense. If you’ve shot a .44 magnum (especially one with wooden grips) you understand recoil. The DoubleTap is more painful.”
” DoubleTap Firearms has developed the world’s smallest and lightest .45 ACP concealed carry pistol on the market today. Also available in 9mm. “
Titanium or Aluminium Frames with a MIL-STD finish that resists corrosion Stainless Steel Barrels Two rounds in the chamber and integral grips house an additional two spare rounds Optional Ported barrels reduces muzzle flip and recoil Small, slim, no-snag hammerless design for easy pocket carry Ambidextrous thumb latch to eject spent rounds U.S. Patent No. D686685 and other Patents Pending Double Action Trigger
The above information and specs comes directly from the manufacturer’s page , while the video and review comes from Guns.com. Both links can provide you with much more info on this neat little hide-away gun .
” According to investigators, a gunman entered a Get and Go convenience store Monday morning in Jefferson Davis County on Mississippi 42 and demanded money.
The armed robber shot the store owner in the leg before all the money had been taken. The gunman exited the store but returned to take the rest of the cash. By that time the owner had a 9mm handgun. When the gunman approached, the owner shot the robber at least 11 times.”
Eleven or twelve hits ? The police should shoot half as well .
” Two men and one woman were at home when Matthew Banks, 26, entered the house at 4:25 a.m., according to a Gainesville Police report in which the address of the incident and the names of the victims were redacted.
Authorities did not reveal the condition of the wounded victim or Banks, of 2229 SE 30th Drive.
Police gave this account: The male victim was asleep on a couch when Banks and a second suspect entered the house.
A woman in the house had gotten up to check on another person in the house, who is blind, when she heard two loud booms and then the man shouting that he had been shot in the face.
The woman got a gun from a closet and walked down the hall toward the living room when she saw Banks pointing a gun at her. She fired a shot and told police that she was sure that she hit him.”
Via ReasonTV Comes This Discussion Of Guns And Mental Illness
Published on Nov 19, 2013
” In the wake of any mass shooting, there’s a predictable and justified burst of public outrage and sorrow followed by a series of “do something now” legislative proposals meant to prevent similar tragedies from ever occurring again.
Depending on the political leanings of the politician or media figure offering the solution, the proposal often rests upon one of these twin assumptions: We must rid the world of the wrong kinds of weapons (i.e., “assault weapons”), or, we must keep guns away from the wrong kinds of people (i.e., “crazy people”).
“How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark?” asked Wayne LaPierre, official lightning rod of the National Rifle Association, in the wake of the Sandy Hook elementary shooting. “A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?”
Even the nation’s premier gun lobby believes keeping guns away from the mentally ill is a good idea. It’s a sensible-sounding proposal, a logical precaution. But some forensic psychiatrists, whose jobs include the task of identifying potentially violent individuals, say that targeting the mentally ill isn’t as simple as it sounds.
Watch the Reason TV video above, “The Truth About Mental Illness and Guns,” to hear more about flawed gun control policies and for the full story behind the Phillips’ gun confiscation experience.
Approximately 7:30 minutes. Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Shot by Tracy Oppenheimer, Will Neff, and Weissmueller.”
If the rumblings are to be believed , Remington Arms , New York state’s oldest gun manufacturer , is finally getting ready to head for a more amenable work environment .
Cities, counties and states from across the country have been making lucrative pitches to New York’s firearms companies, urging them to relocate. Their argument: They have a gun-friendly atmosphere, and New York does not.
“They receive solicitations . . . on almost a daily basis,” said Lawrence Kean, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group.
“CEOs have told me they could basically move their factories for free.”
Cuomo pushed his new gun law through the Legislature a month after the deadly shooting rampage in Newtown, Conn. The law broadened the definition of what is considered a banned assault weapon, and it reduced the size of permissible gun magazines to seven rounds, from 10.
Since then, the state’s remaining firearms companies, including major employers like Remington Arms in upstate Ilion and Kimber Manufacturing in Yonkers, have been wooed by officials from places including South Carolina and Texas.”
The move can’t come soon enough for us . Any manufacturer whose livelihood is based on the manufacture and sale of a product(s) that in the state in which they reside and pay taxes has been banned should take their business elsewhere as soon as humanly possible . Here’s to hoping that both Kimber and Remington see that things will only get worse in NY , which has become an embarrassment to the Union , the Founders and freedom lovers everywhere .
” Never before has such a comprehensive survey of law enforcement officers’ opinions on gun control, gun violence, and gun rights been conducted.
In March, PoliceOne conducted the most comprehensive survey ever of American law enforcement officers’ opinions on the topic gripping the nation’s attention in recent weeks: gun control.
More than 15,000 verified law enforcement professionals took part in the survey, which aimed to bring together the thoughts and opinions of the only professional group devoted to limiting and defeating gun violence as part of their sworn responsibility.
Totaling just shy of 30 questions, the survey allowed officers across the United States to share their perspectives on issues spanning from gun control and gun violence to gun rights.
Breaking down the results, it’s important to note that 70 percent of respondents are field-level law enforcers — those who are face-to-face in the fight against violent crime on a daily basis — not office-bound, non-sworn administrators or perpetually-campaigning elected officials.”
The graphic above accompanies the first question relating to “high capacity” magazines , while the next one deals with “assault” weapons bans . As you can see the opinions of the rank and file cops on the street facing danger every day have a decidedly different attitude about an armed public than do the political appointee chiefs and superintendents that inhabit the rarified air of city halls , conference rooms and media conclaves .
” 2.) The majority of respondents — 71 percent — say a federal ban on the manufacture and sale of some semi-automatics would have no effect on reducing violent crime. However, more than 20 percent say any ban would actually have a negative effect on reducing violent crime. Just over 7 percent took the opposite stance, saying they believe a ban would have a moderate to significant effect. “
The poll continues with a steady stream of majority positions guaranteed to make the most avid gun banners cringe , yet fall right in line with what gun owners and common sense would dictate . Here are a couple more examples from the poll . Be sure to read the whole thing . It is something you may want to bookmark and unholster the next time your progressive friends start in with the specious argument that “but police support gun control” .
Concealed Carry :
Is it any surprise that the cop walking the beat recognizes the deterrent effect on criminal behavior of an armed populace ?
The concept that the armed citizen on the scene would be much quicker to respond to mass shooting incidents than the police who are miles away is a simple matter of common sense , one that the anti-gunners must rationalize away by using their limitless powers of denial .
The poll delves into all of the hotly debated gun control issues of the day such as , arming teachers , waiting periods , gun buy-back programs , causes of gun violence and many others . All in all it is a very insightful , comprehensive example of the attitudes of the average law enforcement officer that has the most skin in the game and thus is most closely associated with gun violence , crime and the imminent risk of death at the hands of the armed criminal element .
Truly not to be missed .
” The principal of Saluda Trail Middle School in Rock Hill is defending the decision to let students hold military weapons during a Veterans Day program at the school last week.
A parent complained after pictures of two students holding weapons were posted on the eighth grade school blog.
In each picture a member of the military is next to the student.
The parent thought, that in light of recent school shootings, it was inappropriate.
Principal Brenda Campbell disagreed.
“Those guns are completely no ammo. They had been checked out by the military themselves, who brought them into our school,” Campbell said.”
Kudos to Principal Campbell for standing her ground .
” Do you know how to shoot? How sure are you about that? I was pretty sure that I knew how to use a gun. After all, I’d received about 30 minutes of training from a police officer, had been to the range a few times, and I could pretty consistently put a bullet inside the silhouette on a target from 3 yards out.
Certainly, that’s better than nothing…but, is it really good enough to bet your life on?
I didn’t think so, which is why I was very interested in the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Front Sight is in the desert about 30 minutes outside of Pahrump, Nevada and it’s famous enough that my trainer in Myrtle Beach, SC had heard of it and was envious that I was getting to attend.
Front Sight basically works like a gym with a lifetime membership; you buy in and then you can come back as often as you want. You just have to pay for your ammo and any gear you rent. I was told that initially its clientele had been mostly professional shooters like S.W.A.T. Team members, but over time its customer base has become a mix of highly trained professionals and novices. Roughly 1000 people a week go through Front Sight’s classes, which is something it considers to be one of its biggest advantages because the trainers get so much experience. The different courses cover everything from handguns to rifles to shotguns to hand-to-hand self-defense.”
” A man is dead in Pine County following a home invasion around three this morning.
Pine County Deputies responded to the home of an elderly man on reports of a shooting.
The Sheriff’s office reports at least one of the suspects was armed with a handgun and confronted the homeowner. The homeowner grabbed a handgun of his own and shot the armed suspect killing him.”
” Gonzaga students Dan McIntosh and Erik Fagan have now acquired their weapons that were taken from them by campus security four hours after they fended off a home intruder on October 24th. Weapons any place on the G.U. campus or at any university residence is prohibited. McIntosh said that they did not know they could pick them up immediately until KHQ informed them of an e-mail we received from the university stating that they could have their guns back. The only restriction was that the students had to move the weapons off campus to a non-university residence which would be in compliance with the weapons policy.
The Gonzaga students have received probation rather than expulsion , here here … and now they’ve had their weapons returned as well , but unless they move they are now defenseless as the guns may not be kept in their University owned apartment . On the other hand the incident has prompted the University authorities to question their firearms policy and they vow to review them with possible changes to come .
” Gonzaga University will re-examine its weapons policy following an incident with two students and a home intruder two weeks ago. In the meantime the current policy remains in effect. The current policy states that there are to be no weapons on campus or any university owned property. Both students will learn whether or not they will be expelled early next week. Student Erik Fagan had this to say about the university re-examining their weapons policy: “I am very happy to see that they are looking to have a conversation about policies. Because as of now they are making us decide to either protect ourselves and face punishment from the school or follow the policy and not be able to defend ourselves.”
A letter regarding the incident from the University president included this statement :
” In light of the specific circumstances reported in the Gonzaga Bulletin and the press, there have been calls for a re-examination of the University’s policies relating to firearms. As a Jesuit institution dedicated to the thoughtful evaluation of complex social issues, I believe this to be an opportunity to do some important work, as a community: to objectively re-examine our firearms policy and openly debate perspectives and contextual issues with an eye towards an honest and open review of the same. Therefore, I have asked our Vice President for Student Development, Dr. Biggs Garbuio, to work in conjunction with GSBA and RHA to facilitate a campus dialogue focused on this issue. In the meantime, the Student Handbook and its Code of Conduct are in effect and all students are obligated to know their rights and acknowledge their responsibilities as established within them.”
Be sure to check out the comments section after reading the article as there is quite a lively debate taking place , with the vast majority supporting the student’s rights to self-defense and for those interested in the debate and certain assertions made by some of the commenters to the effect that the school firearms prohibition policy DOES NOT apply to off campus housing here is a link to the Student Handbook in PDF format .
One commenter even disputes the ownership of the property where the students reside stating ” The apartment in question is off campus, and there is doubt, based on the publicly available property records, that the complex is even owned by the Gonzaga. The university is listed as the tax paying entity, but the owner is listed as “Colonial City, Inc.”
Here is the relevant section on firearms policy from the Gonzaga student handbook , most recently updated on 9.18.2013 :
” The presence and use of weapons on campus presents a potential threat to the safety of all community members. Use or display of weapons may result in threat or injury to self or others. Use or display of weapons, whether intentional or not, is generally inconsistent with the University’s Ethos Statement and may be illegal.
Possession, use, display, sale or exchange of weapons at any location on campus, including University residential facilities and privately-owned vehicles, is prohibited. The term “weapon” means any object designed to propel an object, inflict a wound, cause injury, incapacitate, damage property or cause a reasonable fear of such, and includes, but is not limited to, all firearms, pellet/BB/air guns, paintball guns, home-manufactured cannons or explosive devices, bows and arrows, slingshots, clubs, martial arts devices, switchblades or otherwise-illegal knives or knives with a blade longer than three inches (with the exception of kitchen knives in our University homes and apartments). Replica guns and other simulated weapons are included within this policy. Objects otherwise not considered weapons, and knives with blades less than three inches, may be included within this policy if used as a weapon. Fireworks, flammables, explosives and chemicals of an explosive and/or flammable nature are also prohibited. Exceptions to this policy may be authorized by the Director of Campus Public Safety and Security. The University retains the right to search persons, possessions and bags and privately-owned vehicles on University property, and to confiscate, retain and dispose of/destroy all items covered by this policy regardless of value or ownership. Law enforcement may be contacted for some violations of this policy.”
The code would seem to be quite ambiguous concerning off-campus housing , university owned or not . There are two references to weapons prohibitions and they both very explicitly speak of “ON CAMPUS” locations . The code does not specifically mention off campus housing at all .
Given the above reading of the student handbook the students would seem to have acted well within their rights and have the facts to prevail in court . However , considering the fact that both Mr Fagan and Mr McIntosh are barely a semester from graduation we can understand their anxiousness to be done with the entire affair .
” 2013 was a lousy year for Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group co-founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino. Despite the millions of dollars the group and Bloomberg himself contributed to support gun control laws and candidates who support them, they had little success to show for it.
Although Mayors Against Illegal Guns’ efforts helped defeat GOP gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli, no one seriously expected him to win. However, of the 67 Virginia House of Delegates candidates endorsed by the National Rifle Association and targeted by Bloomberg’s group, 65 won, according to the Washington Examiner.”
Boyle County Homeowner Detains Burglar Until Police Arrive; Officers Vocalize Importance Of Self-Protection
” A Burgin man got more than he bargained for when he broke into a home Sunday afternoon on Lancaster Road in Boyle County.
Eric Collins, 48, entered the home about 3 p.m. but, unfortunately, “he picked the wrong house,” said Boyle County Sheriff Marty Elliott.
The homeowner, Jesse Smith, is an outdoorsman and veteran who said he was considered an expert marksman when he was in the military.
Smith, who had been away from home Sunday, returned to find a truck belonging to Collins in the driveway.”
Not an uncommon story , you say . Well yes , it’s not except for the police response .
” “It’s important that (the homeowners) are comfortable with those weapons. It’s going to be a high-stress situation. You need to be comfortable and confident in using that firearm,” Gray said. Taking those classes, he explained, teach the user how to properly handle their weapon and how to become comfortable with that weapon. Without the confidence to use it, he noted, it won’t make a difference.”
People choosing to break into homes should be worried, Smith said.”
” An attempted robbery at a Stop and Go gas station resulted in an exchange of gunfire, leaving the female clerk in the hospital and the would-be robber dead Saturday night in Toledo, Ohio.
Christopher Shockley, 28, entered the store armed with a gun just after 9 o’clock with the intention of robbing the place. Although exact details of how the events transpired haven’t been made public, police did confirm with Northwest Ohio News that Shockley fired first, striking the store clerk, 29-year-old December Long, in the abdomen. However, Long then pulled out a gun of her own from behind the counter and returned fire.
“He came in to do the armed robbery. It turned into a gun fight,” Toledo Police spokesman Joe Heffernan said.”
Ms Long deserves a hearty thank you and congratulations from her community for making it just a bit safer .
” A pair of Gonzaga students feel they are being unfairly punished after they used a legal handgun to defend themselves against a convicted felon at their university owned apartment, which, according to reports is off the university campus.
The pair called police to report an incident that occurred in late October. A man, described by police as convicted felon several times over, knocked on the door of the apartment.
When one of the resident answered, the suspect attempted to coerce money from the student. When he refused, the suspect attempted to force entry into the apartment. That’s when the resident showed that he was armed and the suspect immediately fled.”