Tag Archive: Massacre

Today Marks The 21st Anniversary Of The Waco Siege

Never Forget – Our Government Did This

Today In The Past




202 BC – Coronation ceremony of Liu Bang as Emperor Gaozu of Han takes place, initiating four centuries of the Han Dynasty’s rule over China

364 – Valentinian I becomes Roman Emperor.

870 – 8th Ecumenical council ends in Constantinople

1066 – Westminster Abbey opens

1570 – Anti-Portugese uprising on Ternate, Moluccas

1646 – Roger Scott was tried in Mass for sleeping in church

1653 – -Mar 3] 3 Day Sea battle English beats Dutch

1692 – Salem witch hunt begins

1704 – Indians attack Deerfield, Mass, kill 40, kidnap 100




1708 – Slave revoltNewtonLong Island NY11 die






1710 – In the Battle of Helsingborg, 14,000 Danish invaders under Jørgen Rantzau are decisively defeated by an equally sized Swedish force under Magnus Stenbock.

1749 – 1st edition of Henry Fieldings’ “Tom Jones” published

1784 – John Wesley charters Methodist Church

1794 – US Senate voids Pennsylvania’s election of Abraham Gallatin

1810 – 1st US fire insurance joint-stock company organized, Philadelphia

1826 – M Biela, an Austrian officer, discovers Biela’s Comet

1827 – 1st commercial railroad in US, Baltimore & Ohio (B&O) chartered

1838 – Robert Nelson, leader of the Patriotes, proclaims the independence of Lower Canada (today Québec)




1844 – 12-inch gun aboard USS Princeton explodes






1847 – US defeats Mexico in battle of Sacramento

1849 – 1st boat load of gold rush prospectors arrives in SF from east coast

1850 – The University of Utah opens in Salt Lake City, Utah.

1854 – Republican Party formally organized at Ripon, Wisc

1859 – Arkansas legislature requires free blacks to choose exile or slavery

1861 – Territories of Nevada & Colorado created

1863 – Confederate raider “Nashville” sinks near Fort McAllister Georgia

1864 – -Mar 3rd] Skirmish at Albemarle County Virginia (Burton’s Ford)

1864 – -Mar 4th) Raid at Kilpatrick’s Richmond

1871 – 2nd Enforcement Act gives federal control of congressional elections

1882 – 1st US college cooperative store opens, at Harvard U

1883 – 1st US vaudeville theater opens (Boston)

1891 – Oscar Grundén skates world record 500m (50.8 sec)

1893 – Edward Acheson, Penn, patents an abrasive he names “carborundum”

1900 – General Buller’s troops relieve Ladysmith Natal

1903 – Barney Dreyfuss & James Potter buys Philadelphia Phillies for $170,000

1908 – Failed assassination attempt on Shah Mohammed Ali in Teheran

1914 – Construction begins on Tower of Jewels for the Exposition (SF)

1917 – AP reports Mexico & Japan will allie with Germany if US enters WW I

1924 – US begins intervention in Honduras

1935 – Wallace Carothers manufactures 1st nylon polymer

1939 – The erroneous word “Dord” is discovered in the Webster’s New International Dictionary, Second Edition, prompting an investigation.

1940 – 1st televised basketball game (U of Pitts beats Fordham U, 50-37)

1940 – Richard Wright’s “Native Son” published

1940 – US population at 131,669,275 (12,865,518 blacks (9.8%))

1941 – 39 U Boats (197,000 ton) sunk this month

1941 – British-Italian dogfight above Albania

1942 – 1st weapon drop on Netherlands

1942 – Japanese land in Java, last Allied bastion in Dutch East Indies

1942 – Race riot, Sojourner Truth Homes, Detroit

1947 – 228 Incident: In Taiwan, civil disorder is put down with the loss of 30,000 civilian lives.

1956 – Forrester issued a patent for computer core memory

1957 – Jockey Johnny Longden’s 5,000th career victory

1959 – Ice Dance Championship at Colo Springs USA won by Denny & Jones of GRB

1959 – Ice Pairs Championship at Colorado Springs won by Wagner & Paul of CAN

1959 – Ladies Figure Skating Championship in Colo Spr won by Carol Heiss USA

1960 – US wins Olympic hockey gold medal by defeating Canada

1961 – JFK names Henry Kissinger special advisor

1966 – Cavern Club (Beatles hangout) in Liverpool closes

1969 – Ice Dance Championship at Colorado Spr won by Towler & Ford of GBR

1969 – Ice Pairs Championship at Colorado Spr won by Rodnina & Ulanov of URS

1969 – Ladies Figure Skating Champion in Colo Spr won by Gabriele Seyfert GDR

1969 – Men’s Figure Skating Championship in Colo Springs won by Tim Wood USA

1970 – Bicycles permitted to cross Golden Gate Bridge

1970 – Caroline Walker runs world female record marathon (3:02:53)

1971 – 53rd PGA Championship: Jack Nicklaus shoots a 281 at PGA Natl FL Jack Nicklaus wins his 2nd golf grand slam

1972 – Pres Richard Nixon ends historic week-long visit to China

1975 – 41 killed in London Underground, as train speeds past final stop

1975 – A major tube train crash at Moorgate station, London kills 43 people.

1977 – 1st killer whale born in captivity (Marineland, LA California)

1977 – Harbor strike in Rotterdam/Amsterdam ends

1979 – Ernest Thompson’s “On Golden Pond,” premieres in NYC

1981 – Calvin Murphy (Hou), sets NBA record with 78 consecutive free throws

1982 – AT & T looses record $7 BILLION for fiscal year ending on this day

1982 – FALN (PR Nationalist Group) bombs Wall Street

 1983 – TV episode of “M*A*S*H” airs (CBS); record 125 million watch

1988 – 15th Winter Olympic games close at Calgary, Canada

1988 – Yvonne van Gennip skates world record 5 km ladies (7:14.13)




1993 – 100 agents raid Branch Davidian compound at Waco Texas


Waco Siege Films


WACO: A New Revelation (Full Version)



” Film released in 1999 – April 19, 1993 – The massacre of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX by the U.S. government.  Remember Waco?  This video shows hard evidence that the media wouldn’t and still won’t show the American public.

Waco: A New Revelation is the film that triggered a new Congressional investigation of the Waco tragedy, and caused the Justice Department and the FBI to reverse their long-held positions on Waco. It has generated a firestorm of events unprecedented in the history of documentary filmmaking. After six years of painstaking investigation, the complete story of the tragedy in Texas is finally coming to light. This compelling feature-length documentary presents new revelations about the events that led up to the deaths of 79 men, women and children at Mount Carmel on April 19, 1993. In the spring of 1998, under the Freedom of Information Act, investigators from MGA Studio’s film division became the first private citizens to gain access to the Waco investigation evidence lockers. What they found was shocking. Upon examination, the evidence gathered under the supervision of federal officials appeared to contradict the FBI’s congressional testimony, raising serious and disturbing questions about events surrounding the siege at Mt. Carmel and the deaths of the Davidians. Gene Cullen Since 1993, former members of the FBI, former Special Forces and CIA operatives have come forward with new evidence to suggest that the FBI’s claim is inaccurate.”

Waco Rules of Engagement



 ” A truly sobering testament to the tyrannical force of the US government. This documentary tells the story of the Waco siege. This documentary, from the ATF’s own footage, bears witness to the murder by the US government of citizens who choose to exercise their constitutional rights.

Truly a must see! Are we truly free when we fear our government?”


Died February 28, 1993 

Winston Blake, 28, black, British 
Peter Gent, 24, white, Australian 
Peter Hipsman, 28, white, American 
Perry Jones, 64, white, American 
Michael Schroeder, 29, white, American 
Jaydean Wendell, 34, Hawaiian, American

Died April 19, 1993

Katherine Andrade, 24, white, American 
Chanel Andrade, 1, white, American 
Jennifer Andrade, 19, white, American 
George Bennett, 35, black, British 
Susan Benta, 31, black, British 
Mary Jean Borst, 49, white, American 
Pablo Cohen, 38, white, Israeli 
Abedowalo Davies, 30, black, British 
Shari Doyle, 18, white, American 
Beverly Elliot, 30, black, British 
Yvette Fagan, 32, black, British 
Doris Fagan, 51, black, British 
Lisa Marie Farris, 24, white, American 
Raymond Friesen, 76, white, Canadian 
Sandra Hardial, 27, black, British 
Zilla Henry, 55, black, British 
Vanessa Henry, 19, black, British 
Phillip Henry, 22, black, British 
Paulina Henry, 24, black, British 
Stephen Henry, 26, black, British 
Diana Henry, 28, black, British 
Novellette Hipsman, 36, black, Canadian 
Floyd Houtman, 61, black, American 
Sherri Jewell, 43, Asian, American 
David M. Jones, 38, white, American 
David Koresh, 33, white, American 
Rachel Koresh, 24, white, American 
Cyrus Koresh, 8, white, American 
Star Koresh, 6, white, American 
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2, white, American 
Jeffery Little, 32, white, American 
Nicole Gent Little, 24, white, Australian 
  and unborn child 
Dayland Gent, 3, white, American 
Page Gent, 1, white, American 
Livingston Malcolm, 26, black, British 
Diane Martin, 41, black, British 
Wayne Martin, Sr., 42, black, American 
Lisa Martin, 13, black, American 
Sheila Martin, Jr., 15, black, American 
Anita Martin, 18, black, American 
Wayne Martin, Jr., 20, black, American 
Julliete Martinez, 30, Mexican American 
Crystal Martinez, 3, Mexican American 
Isaiah Martinez, 4, Mexican American 
Joseph Martinez, 8, Mexican American 
Abigail Martinez, 11, Mexican American 
Audrey Martinez, 13, Mexican American 
John-Mark McBean, 27, black, British 
Bernadette Monbelly, 31, black, British 
Rosemary Morrison, 29, black, British 
Melissa Morrison, 6, black, British 
Sonia Murray, 29, black, American 
Theresa Nobrega, 48, black, British 
James Riddle, 32, white, American 
Rebecca Saipaia, 24, Asian, Phillipino 
Steve Schneider, 43, white, American 
Judy Schneider, 41, white, American 
Mayanah Schneider, 2, white, American 
Clifford Sellors, 33, white, British 
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35, Asian, American 
Floracita Sonobe, 34, Asian, Phillipino 
Gregory Summers, 28, white, American 
Aisha Gyrfas Summers, 17, white, Australian 
   and unborn child 
Startle Summers, 1, white, American 
Lorraine Sylvia, 40, white, American 
Rachel Sylvia, 12, white, American 
Hollywood Sylvia, 1, white, American 
Michelle Jones Thibodeau, 18, white, American 
Serenity Jones, 4, white, American 
Chica Jones, 2, white, American 
Little One Jones, 2, white, American 
Neal Vaega, 38, Somoan, New Zealander 
Margarida Vaega, 47, Asian, New Zealander 
Mark H. Wendell, 40, Asian, American





1994 – Brady Law, imposing a wait-period to buy a hand-gun, went into effect

1995 – Denver International Airport opens

1997 – FBI agent Earl Pitts pleads guilty to selling secrets to Russia

1997 – Smokers must prove they are over 18 to purchase cigarettes in US




1997 – The North Hollywood shootout takes place.


1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.1

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.2

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.3

Hollywood Shootout – The last 9 minutes live





1998 – First flight of RQ-4 Global Hawk, the first unmanned aerial vehicle certified to file its own flight plans and fly regularly in U.S. civilian airspace.

1998 – Kosovo War: Serbian police begin the offensive against the Kosovo Liberation Army in Kosovo.

2004 – Over 1 million Taiwanese participating in the 228 Hand-in-Hand Rally form a 500-kilometre (300-mile) long human chain to commemorate the 228 Incident in 1947

2005 – A suicide bombing at a police recruiting centre in Al Hillah, Iraq kills 127.

2007 – Jupiter flyby of the New Horizons Pluto-observer spacecraft.

2012 – Discovery of the largest prehistoric penguin, Kairuku grebneffi, at nearly 5ft tall





1155 – Henry the Young King, son of Henry II of England (d. 1183)

1261 – Margaret of Scotland, queen of Norway (d. 1283)

1409 – Elisabeth II of Bohemia (d. 1442)

1533 – Michel de Montaigne, France, essayist/philosopher

1552 – Jost/Jobst Bürgi, Swiss clockmaker and mathematician (d. 1632)

1573 – Elias Hill, German architect/city builder (Augsburg)

1663 – Thomas Newcomen, English co-inventor (steam engine)

1675 – Guillaume Delisle, French cartographer (d. 1726)

1683 – René Antoine Ferchault de Réaumur, French scientist (d. 1757)

1704 – Louis Godin, French astronomer (d. 1760)

1712 – Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, French military commander (d. 1759)

1764 – Robert Haldane, Scottish theologist/philanthropist

1786 – D Francois J Arago, French astronomer/physicist/politician

1792 – Karl Earnest Ritter von Baer, Estonian/German embryologist

1817 – James Craig, Brigadier General (Union volunteers), died in 1888

1822 – Matthew Duncan Ector, Brigadier General (Confederate Army), died in 1879

1824 – Charles Blondin, France, acrobat/aerialist

1824 – John Creed Moore, Brigadier General (Confederate Army), died in 1910

1825 – Quincy Adams Gillmore, Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1888

1833 – Alfred von Schlieffen, Count/Prussian general-fieldmarshal

1838 – Maurice Lévy, French engineer (d. 1910)

1840 – Henri Duveyrier, French explorer (d. 1892)

1858 – Jacob P Vis, Dutch industrialist (founder NV Royal Salt Industries)

1866 – Vyacheslav I Ivanov, Russian philosopher/classical/poet [OS=2/16]

1878 – Pierre Fatou, French mathematician (d. 1929)

1890 – Vaslav Nijinsky, Kiev Ukraine, ballet dancer (3/12 NS)

1899 – Frederick Denison Maurice Hocking, pathologist

1901 – Linus Pauling, Portland, Oregon, American chemist/peace activist (Nobel 1954, 1962)

1906 – Bugsy Siegel, gangster created casinos in Las Vegas

1908 – Billie Bird, American actress (d. 2002)

1909 – Olan Soule, La Harpe Ill, actor (My 3 Sons, Arnie)

1910 – Vincente Minnelli, Chicago IL, director (American in Paris, Gigi)

1915 – Peter Medawar, England, zoologist, immunologist (Nobel 1953)

1915 – Zero “Samuel” Mostel, Brooklyn, actor (Fiddler on the Roof)

1917 – Hans Deutgen, Sweden, world champion archer

1921 – Pierre Clostermann, French World War II pilot (d. 2006)




1923 – Charles DurningHighland Falls NYactor (Fury, Sting, Tootsie), (d. 2012)






1925 – Harry H Corbett, Rangoon Burma, actor (Steptoe & Son, Jabberwacky)

1927 – John Swire, British aircraft magnate (Cathay Pacific)

1929 – Frank O Gehry, architect (Galleria-Oklahoma City)

1930 – Leon Cooper, US physicist (Nobel 1972)

1931 – Gavin MacLeod, Mt Kisco NY, actor (Murray-Mary Tyler Moore, Love Boat)

1931 – Gustav Thoni, Italy, skiier (World Cup-1971, 72, 73, 75)

1934 – Willie Bobo, NYC, jazz drummer (Cos)

1939 – John Fahey, singer (Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death)

1939 – Tommy Tune, Wichita Falls Tx, dancer/choreographer (Boyfriend)

1940 – Joe South, Atlanta, Georgia, American singer-songwriter and guitarist (Games People Play), (d. 2012)




1940 – Mario AndrettiItalian American race-car driver (1969 Indianapolis 5001978 Formula One World Champion)






1942 – Frank Bonner, Little Rock AR, actor (WKRP, Hoax, You Can’t Hurry Love)

1942 – Brian Jones, [Lewis Brian Hopkins Jones], English rock guitarist (Rolling Stones)

1943 – Donny Iris, singer

1945 – Charles “Bubba” Smith, Tx, NFLer (Balt Colts)/actor (Police Academy)

1945 – Ronnie Rosman, rocker (Tommy James Shondells-Crystal Blue Persuasion)

1946 – Robin Cook, British politician (d. 2005)

1948 – Bernadette Peters, [Lazzara], Queens NY, actress (Jerk)

1948 – Mercedes Ruehl, Queens NY, actress (Lost in Yonkers, Crazy People)

1948 – Mike Figgis, English director

1951 – Gustavo Thoeni, Italy, giant slalom (Olympic-gold-1972)

1953 – Ricky “Dragon” Steamboat, [Richard Blood], wrestler (NWA/WWF/WCW/AWA)

1953 – Ingo Hoffmann, Brazilian racing driver

1953 – Paul Krugman, American economist and New York Times columnist (Nobel Prize in Economics 2008)

1955 – Gilbert Gottfried, comedian (Beverly Hills Cop)

1955 – Randy Jackson, New Orleans, guitarist (Zebra-Tell Me What You Want)

1957 – Cindy Wilson, Athens Georgia, rock vocalist (B-52’s-Love Shack)

1957 – Ian Stanley, keyboardist

1957 – John Turturro, Bkln, actor (Brain Donor, Color of Money, Jungle Fever)

1957 – Ainsley Harriott, British celebrity chef

1958 – Christine Lathan-Brehmer, German DR, 400m runner (Oly-gold-76)

1960 – Dorothy Stratten, Vancouver BC, playmate (August, 1979) (Galixina)

1961 – Eric Bachelart, Belgian racing driver

1962 – Angela Bailey, England, Canadian 4X100m relayer (Olympic-silver-1984)

1962 – Rae Dawn Chong, Edmonton Alberta, actress (Quest for Fire)

1963 – Claudio Chiappucci, Italian cyclist

1964 – Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, Uzbekistan cyclist

1969 – Butch Leitzinger, American race car driver

1970 – Noureddine Morceli, Algeria, 1500m runner (Olympics-gold-96)

1970 – Daniel Handler, American writer, better known as Lemony Snicket

1972 – Rory Cochrane, American actor

1973 – Eric Lindros, London Ontario, NHL center (Phila Flyers)

1973 – Nicolas Minassian, French racing driver

1976 – Ali Larter, American actress and model

1977 – Jason Aldean, American country singer

1978 – Benjamin Raich, Austrian Olympic skier

1979 – Sébastien Bourdais, French racing driver

1979 – Primož Peterka, Slovenian ski jumper

1979 – Michael Bisping, English mixed martial artist




1982 – Natalia VodianovaRussian supermodel






1984 – Karolína KurkováCzech supermodel






1985 – Fefe Dobson, Canadian singer

1985 – Jelena Janković, Serbian tennis player

1991 – Sarah Bolger, Irish actress




642 – Oswald, English missionary/saint, dies in battle

1261 – Hendrik, duke of Brabant (1248-61), dies

1326 – Duke Leopold I of Austria (b. 1290)

1485 – Niclas, Graf von Abensberg, German soldier (b. 1441)

1510 – Juan de la Cosa, Spanish cartographer and explorer

1525 – Cuauhtémoc, Aztec ruler

1572 – Aegidius Tschudi, Swiss historian (b. 1505)

1621 – Cosimo II de’ Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (b. 1590)

1638 – Claude G Bachet de Meziriac, French mathematician/poet, dies at 56

1638 – Henri duc de Rohan, French soldier/Huguenot leader, dies

1742 – Willem J ‘s-Gravesande, Dutch physicist, dies at 53




1781 – Richard StocktonUS attorney (signed Decl of Ind), dies at 50






1786 – John Gwynn, English architect and engineer (b. 1713)

1788 – Thomas Cushing, American Continental Congressman (b. 1725)

1844 – Abel P Upshur, Secretary of State, dies in explosion on USS Princeton

1844 – Thommas W Gilmer, Navy Secretary, dies in explosion on USS Princeton

1857 – André Dumont, Belgian geologist (b. 1809)

1905 – Joseph C Juglar, French physician/economist, dies at 85

1916 – Henry James, US/British writer (Bostonians), dies in London at 72

1932 – Guillaume Bigourdan, French astronomer (b. 1851)

1936 – Charles Nicolle, French bacteriologist, recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine (b. 1866)

1940 – Johan C Braakensiek, Dutch political cartoonist, dies at 81

1953 – Jim Thorpe, versatile American athlete (Olympics-gold-1912), dies at 64

1962 – Harold Ogden “Chic” Johnson, comedian (Olsen & Johnson), dies at 70

1966 – Charles A Bassett II, astronaut, dies at 34, in a crash of T-38 jet

1966 – Elliot McKay See Jr, astronaut, dies at 38 in T-38 jet crash

1967 – Henry Luce, American publisher (b. 1898)

1977 – Eddie “Rochester” Anderson, comedian (Jack Benny Show), dies at 71

1978 – Eric Frank Russell, sci-fi author (Hugo, Deep Space), dies at 73

1978 – Philip Ahn, LA California, actor (Master Kan-Kung Fu)

1979 – Mr Ed, talking horse, dies

1985 – David Byron, English singer (Uriah Heep) (b. 1947)

1986 – Sven Olof Palme, Swedish PM (1969-76, 82-86), assassinated at 59

1986 – Laura Z. Hobson, American novelist (b. 1900)

1992 – Angelique Pettyjohn, actress (Body Talk, Star Trek), dies at 49

1992 – La Lupe, Cuban singer, dies of a heart attack in the Bronx at 53

1993 – Ishiro Honda, Japanese director/producer (Godzilla), dies at 81

1993 – Ruby Keeler, Canadian actress, singer, and dancer (42nd Street, Dames), dies of cancer at 82

1994 – Buster Holmes, chef/restaurateur, dies at 88

1995 – Herman “Ace” Wallace, blues guitarist/singer, dies at 69

2003 – Roger Michael Needham, British cryptographer (b. 1935)

2003 – Rudolf Kingslake, Lens designer, and Engineer (b. 1903)

2004 – Daniel J. Boorstin, American historian, writer, and Librarian of Congress (b. 1914)

2006 – Owen Chamberlain, American physicist, Nobel laureate (b. 1920)

2007 – Baron Charles Forte, Italian-born hotelier (b. 1908)

2007 – Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. American historian and political commentator (b.1917)

2008 – Mike Smith, English musician (The Dave Clark Five) (b. 1943)




2009 – Paul HarveyAmerican radio broadcaster (b. 1918)


Paul Harvey Archives










Video Captures “Military” Sniper Firing Into A Crowded pro-Morsi Protest In Cairo


” It’s not clear from the first seconds of the video who is firing or from where, but the rapid fire of the assault rifle is unmistakable. With the shots ringing so clear over the shouts of the crowd, chanting in support of deposed President Mohamed Morsi, so is the proximity. The camera jumps, some protesters step back or turn to run. In only a few shorts seconds – so short, he must have been awfully close – three men carry a fourth back through the crowd, limp and covered in blood.

Then, at 50 seconds into the video, embedded below, the cameraman pans up to see a soldier in military camouflage peering over the top of a building. The soldier aims carefully before each shot – fired, it’s not clear at whom, somewhere into the crowd. More bleeding young men are carried away.”

Massacre In Cairo Deepens Egypt Crisis




” A deadly shooting at the site of a sit-in by Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Cairo, demanding the reinstatement of ousted President Mohamed Morsi, has left dozens of people dead.

The Egyptian health ministry said at least 42 people had been killed and more than 300 injured in the incident early on Monday morning.

Mohamed Mohamed Ibrahim El-Beltagy, a Brotherhood MP, described the incident during dawn prayers after police had stormed the site, as a “massacre”.

About 500 people were also reportedly injured.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Gehad Haddad, a spokesman for Muslim Brotherhood, said that at around 3.30 in the morning, army and police forces started firing at sit-in protesters in front of the Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo.

But the military said a “terrorist group” had tried to storm the Republican Guard facility, where Morsi is reportedly being held. It also said that two officer had also been killed. “













Peter Wehner from Commentary

Politicizing the Aurora Massacre

Ft. Hood Massacre Update

   Below is a brief quote from the transcript of a Fox News report on the Ft. Hood massacre . We had trouble with the embed but if you click through you can watch the video in it’s entirety .

Fox News investigation into the massacre at Fort Hood Fox News found multiple email exchanges.

Between the accused shooter Nidal Hasan in the now dead American cleric Anwar Al — and for the first time some of the victims are going public.

And wondering how this could be classified as a workplace shooting.

November 5 2000.

After being shot by fellow soldier and Nadal Hasan.

— George Stratton staff sergeant — Manning had only one thought how — with escape alive.